there used to be 13,000 of us at this plant. every one of those interactions is the reason why i wake up every day, the president wakes up every day and says, for heaven's sake, is there anything else we can do to get this down? >> how can we revive to -- work to remind american manufacturing? would there be incentives? >> an incredibly important question. as we will tell you, one that the president and vice-president are so incredibly concerned with. the right thing is a mixture of policies. manufacturing, everything else, everything counts in getting the economy going. manufacturing is inherently more cyclically-sensitive. anything the overall economy does to get going will help manufacturing. the president is also saying, we know certain things like, getting export to going. one of the things we are good at is high-tech manufacturing. if we can make it easier for those firms to export, that will help them. but also, he has identified one of the areas where there could be a market failure. we can see the future coming, we need